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By: Martha | November 11th, 2007

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*Scroll down the bottom of the post for the latest, it was updated throughout the day*

Gabriele Sandri, a Lazio supporter and semi-famous DJ in Roma was accidentally shot today in the wake of a battle between Lazio Ultras and a group of Juve supporters they attacked in Badia al Pino, Arezzo; the Lazio-Inter match has been called off, and all the other matches are delayed by 15 minutes as a sign of respect. The Juve supporters reportedly flagged down a passing police car for help and there was a scuffle during which a shot was fired, presumably from a cop’s gun, and Sandri is apparently dead.

Just when you think things can’t get any worse, something like this happens: A(nother) senseless death, a cop’s gun to blame. No matter who was holding the weapon or how it was fired, a lot of supporters are likely to blame the authorities — Atalanta Ultras have already fought with police today, apparently as a result of this incident, and they won’t be the only ones.

Here we go again.

What follows are developments since this post went up. Thanks to everyone in the comments for the help.

•Lazio chairman Claudio Lotito is asking supporters not to blame the police. Fingers crossed someone listens.

•Atalanta Ultras forced the suspension and then postponement of their team’s match against Milan. Flares and rocks were thrown, and the tried to smash their way through the barrier between the Curva and the pitch. The Atlanta Ultras allegedly threatened captain Cristiano Doni with “serious” repercussions if the match went ahead.

Thousands of angry fans paraded outside the San Siro with a sign that says “Raciti [the cop who was killed in Catania last winter] stops the championship but the death of a fan has no meaning”; a TV cameraman has reported been injured covering the protest.

Here are a couple (this is the BBC one Ruby mentioned) of articles with the details being discussed in the comments: The shots came from long-range; the police are describing the event as a “tragic mistake.”

Sandri’s family and their lawyer say the fight was over and he was sitting in the back of a car when the bullet struck him. The car may or may not have contained Lazio Ultras involved in the fight.

•A Serie C match was called off just before the hour mark because of fan trouble, and there have been problems at least one professional basketball game today as a result of all this.

•A gallery of screencaps of the Atalanta-Milan trouble.

•As of just after 12pm Eastern Time, the Roma-Cagliari match has been postponed.

•After the Roma match was called off, supporters clashed with police outside the Olympico; La Gazzetta are reporting that order has been restored.

•Ultras are rioting out in Rome. A police bus has been set on fire, and police barracks and the Commission for Public Safety have been attacked. Running commentary is here.

•The police have released a statement describing what they claim is the sequence of events that led to Sandri’s death. In part, it reads as follows:

One of the agents, in a bid to induce the brawlers to desist, fired two shots. These were fired so that the fight that had broken out between a group of people – who had not been identified as football fans – did not degenerate into something more serious.

•Ultras in Rome have invaded the office of CONI near the Olympico, and some have actually broken into the ground. At least one bomb has gone off in the area.

A gallery of the ongoing riots in Rome.

•It’s being reported that at least one person has been killed in the riots.

•Police have regained control of the area immediately surrounding the Stadio Olympico.

•FIGC president Giancarlo Abete is already talking about a blanket ban on away supporters for the foreseeable future.

•As a precautionary measure, “all institutional buildings” in Rome are under police guard, including the Senate Chamber.

Marisa Grasso the widow of Filippo Raciti, has weighed in, lamenting calcio’s failure to learn anything from her husband’s death, and describing Italy as a whole as “increasingly uncivil.”

Rome blogger Spangly Princess has an on-the-ground report on the violence, and what it’s like in Rome tonight.

I’m knocking on wood as I type this, but things in Rome seem to have settled down; hopefully this is the last update of the night.

Monday’s news is here. Again, it’s constantly being updated.





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  • Martha |  November 11th, 2007 at 8:21 am

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    Also problems at a basketball game in Milan, apparently, I’ll add it in Lisa, thanks.

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  • Thierry |  November 11th, 2007 at 8:24 am

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    Well, if he had nothing to do with the struggles why he is presented as an ultra lazio fan in the whole world putting the confusion and the idea the fact he is a lazio fan had a link with his death. Why not presented him as a vegetarien, or a guy who knows a muslim, or an anti bush militant, or a guy who know a guy who loved Harry Potter ? Somethings sound very stupid in this affair.

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  • sofia |  November 11th, 2007 at 8:27 am

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    lisa, thats true never thought of that…either way the gun should not be their first instinct especially if the fight was finished already

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  • Thierry |  November 11th, 2007 at 8:40 am

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    Don’t worry madame we aren’t polcicemen we are just gangsta…

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  • Mark |  November 11th, 2007 at 8:40 am

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    how bad is this kind of thing in Italy? Suppose I’m wearing an Inter jersey and wandering around Rome one day, would I be likely to get my ass kicked?

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  • sofia |  November 11th, 2007 at 8:49 am

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    mark, yes you would probably get your ass kicked if you were walking around any part of italy (other than milan, and still the ac fans…) wearing an inter shirt ahah so a word of advice: dont do it

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  • sofia |  November 11th, 2007 at 9:03 am

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    roma game has been “postponed” dont know if that means its going to be played later today or another day

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  • Martha |  November 11th, 2007 at 9:06 am

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    Link, Sofia?

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  • Martha |  November 11th, 2007 at 9:10 am

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    Got it, thanks!

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  • kirby |  November 11th, 2007 at 9:18 am

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    god damn it! am never over sleeping again! jesus, i cant believe all this has happened. but this makes a lot of sense to me. i did get up at 9 to watch the inter match and nothing was on. bleh… madness!!!

    btw martha, i have 2 funny screenshots from my fm game for you

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  • Martha |  November 11th, 2007 at 9:33 am

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    KIrby, hit me up: italy[at]theoffside[dot]com should work.

    (Madness is right.)

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  • Bonnie |  November 11th, 2007 at 9:47 am

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    Mark, no, you’re not going to “get your ass kicked” for wearing an Inter jersey around Italy. I was there for several months, people (especially tourists) all wear whichever jersey they choose to, and unless you’re wearing the oppositions jersey to one teams home game (and not sitting in the away supporters section), most likely nothing will happen to you. Spreading rumours to the contrary really just intensifies the belief that all Italian calcio fans are animals and makes situations more tense.

    This isn’t simply a matter of “Ultras being violent”, this is a deep-seated hatred that a lot of Italians have toward the Police and authority in general and this tragic event is just giving them an outlet for their hatred. I, like you Martha, hope that Lotito’s urges ares heeded, but I really don’t have much faith in that.

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  • curry |  November 11th, 2007 at 9:48 am

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    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j5rrOLqOvowt4dAIiBTi-TXVcqfA

    That link there talks about some anti-police displays around stadios in Italy this morning. And some details about the shooting.

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  • Martha |  November 11th, 2007 at 9:53 am

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    Thanks, Curry.

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  • chris |  November 11th, 2007 at 10:03 am

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    I’ve got to say if anything the Roma game was postponed due to the happenings in Bergamo and the eventual leaks of what really happened at that rest stop. It sounds as though the police were very much at fault, if not entirely at fault for his death, and the last thing the city of Rome needs is to find out that one of its citizens died at the hands of a cop. The repercussions during the game would be massive.

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  • Martha |  November 11th, 2007 at 10:10 am

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    Yeah, knowingly running that risk would be, if not suicidal, then extremely idiotic. I just hope the marches tonight are relatively peaceful.

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  • Mark |  November 11th, 2007 at 11:14 am

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    Bonnie, thanks for the answer. I can understand the hostility that Italians have for authority etc. but I always thought that ultra groups are essentially violent; perhaps I’m wrong.

    Isn’t the word “ultra” itself a reference to “ultraviolence” from A Clockwork Orange?

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  • Angharad |  November 11th, 2007 at 1:47 pm

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    Roma, the Eternal City, where civil rule works only until the plebs take to the streets. I really shouldn’t be able to make relevant allusions in the year 2007 to the final days of the Roman Republic. Saturninus, anyone?

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  • SpanglyPrincess |  November 11th, 2007 at 4:22 pm

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    I just drove past the Olimpico here in Rome half an hour ago - it looks like a war zone, upturned cars and bins, smashed glasses, road signs pulled up and used as weapons, armed riot police everywhere. Thank God they weren’t so stupid as to try to play the game, the whole days’ games should have been called off.

    oh and btw not all ultras are violent. These people are just hooligans pure and simple.

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  • Martha |  November 11th, 2007 at 4:53 pm

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    Thanks, SP. (And I think most people here know that not all Ultras are violent, but the impression I’ve gotten from the Italian press is that the people involved in the violence are Ultras. Is that incorrect?)

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  • SpanglyPrincess |  November 11th, 2007 at 5:00 pm

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    Well, it’s hard to know in all honesty. They were crowds of mostly young men, mostly dressed in black and with their faces covered. A few wearing team scarves but mostly without any easily identifiable features at all.

    So undoubtedly some were ultras - by which I mean either members of one of the many well-established ultra groups, or (much less commonly) individuals who consider themselves to have the “ultra mentality” but for whatever reason have no group identity. It’s also possible - indeed fairly likely - that some were random hooligans who were there to express their hatred of the police. There are a lot of neo-fascist gangs who are up for a ruck with the authorities on any excuse.

    My guess is that when an armed mob attacks you, you don’t stop to ask them how they’d like to be described in tomorrow’s newspapers.

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  • mele419 |  November 11th, 2007 at 5:20 pm

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    ohh dio mio… The state of calcio these days -_-
    When will people learn?
    What has this solved? Absolutely nothing.

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  • Curry |  November 11th, 2007 at 6:00 pm

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    Wanted to say thank you for keeping us updated on the latest. As Spangly said..this has nothing to do with football anymore. I can’t beleive it’s escalated to this kind of violence. The Italian government have a beast of alarming proportions in their hands and I hope these events have shook them enough to do something..anything.

    My prayers are with the innocent people in Rome who were just trying to live their lives this weekend.

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  • Martha |  November 11th, 2007 at 6:17 pm

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    Curry, I’ve been trying to explain it to my dad and my brother today, and they just keep saying “Wait, what? Because … a fan got shot?” Things are out of control and have been for ages; the problem is that it’s all going to stay that way.

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  • Fetyani |  November 12th, 2007 at 12:22 am

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    those ultras are becoming bigger than the game and the FIGC. banning them and punishing them wont solve anything at all, if anything it will piss them off even more. FIGC should work and try to please those ultras. because honestly after seeing what happened today, those people are the ones in control. im not condoning there actions, but they’re not 5 years old kids, its not only a game to them. so the best solution is to work with them for a a better solution. banning them will make it worse, and god knows what will they do next.

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