Does Italy need a Reserve League?

By: Francesco | April 16th, 2009

Ever since 17 year old Manchester United striker Federico Macheda has scored those two goals in the last two league games, the Italian media has been publishing articles about how Italy doesn’t put faith in young players. On the one hand, it is true, Italy is a traditional society and most managers have the traditional view that players have to mature first and if you play them regularly too early you will “burn” them. The only exception to the rule is if the player is a real world class superstar. In Italy, most players are still considered to be young at the age of 25, but in other countries players that are 18 are getting regular playing time. I’m not saying that teams need to start fielding sides filled with teenagers, but there are probably many youngsters scattered across Italy that are ready for first team action and are still playing at the Primavera level. So today I was reading an article which had an interview with Italy U-21 manager Pierluigi Casiraghi, and he brought up the idea that Italy should have a reserve league.

“Here in Italy players like Montolivo, Pazzini and Aquilani sono are still considered young - Casiraghi said – In foreign countries young players are given a chance with the first team often, even players aged 16 and 17 if they deserve it. In England the Reserve division is an excellent system, in Italy there should be a league like this, that would allow young players to mature more rapidly.”

Let’s take the example of Sebastian Giovinco to see how Italy works. Giovinco is one of the brightest Italian young prospects and one of the best to come out of Juve’s youth system in the last 5 years. In any other country, a player with Giovinco’s technique and potential would have easily have made his first team debut at a young age, maybe around 17/18. In Italy, Giovinco had to wait until he was 20 years old to make his Juventus first team debut in 2007.

The reserve league would be a great idea, as currently the only thing Italy has close to a reserve league is the Primavera division, which is the league of U-20 players of each club. Even though it is a youth league, senior players occasionally play with their club’s respective Primavera team if they are coming back from injury or need to get into form.

A Reserve league would allow Primavera standouts to consistently play against older players and gain valuable experience. It would also benefit older players who don’t see much first team action because instead of sitting on the bench or in the stands every weekend, they could get some match time with the reserve squad. And of course, this benefits the first team because when players impress they can be promoted to the first team and get a chance in league and cup matches.

Of course, this is Italy, and everything works backwards, so the chances of this actually happening are probably slim to none. But it would really be a great thing to have. Maybe with more Italian youngsters doing well abroad Italy will finally take the hint. But it’s doubtful.






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  • Marco |  April 16th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

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    Notice outsider Mourinho’s faith in Santon and Balotelli as first team players.

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  • ish |  April 16th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

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    the reserve league in england has got a lot of flack as well since it doesnt offer as much playing time as people want it to. A better option is the spanish B and C sides. The B side is allowed to compete in the 3rd division i think it is and arent allowed to be promoted or play cup games. The C side is like division 4 or 5. It allows many young players time against pro players who are actually trying because 3 points suddenly matters more then just pride. ALso it allows them to play against stronger and faster players then they used to so they improve technique since thats the only way to compete. France also uses this system.

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  • Anthony |  April 16th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

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    @Marco

    I think the argument to keep younger players from playing till they become ‘mature’ is stronger when Balotelli is being used as an example.

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  • marcogk |  April 16th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

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    Look at how many foreign players there are in Italy. Many of the players have had a chance to develop because the foreign “big name” players are taking spots. This make it more difficult for Italian players to gain experience. I think England is experiencing the same problem and this can be seen in their National Team (as well as the Italian National Team). Many future great players aren’t given the experience playing in high stakes league or tournament games. They are losing out on valuable experience and playing time – both crucial in player development.

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  • Nnahoj |  April 16th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

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    I was going to mention the same as Ish did. I think that having clubs’ B teams (generally the Primavera sides) playing in the lower professional leagues (Series B & C) would add great experience and competition to the youngsters, helping them to mature faster.

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  • Jonathan |  April 17th, 2009 at 12:45 am

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    Funny that while Italians are calling England’s reserve league a great idea the English are calling it outdated and looking to scrap it! I think the reserve league in England right now is weak and something needs to be done about it – 10 years ago it was good for bringing players through. Now, the standard is way too poor for genuine talent to flourish so they are being sent abroad. Man United for example have about 10 players out on loan.

    Once the Macheda hype dies down (unless he really is the real deal and keeps getting better) where will he go, back to playing Wigan reserves on a Thursday? No, he will probably be loaned out to a decent Championship side where his talent can properly develop.

    Btw, did you guys realise that after last night Italy are in real danger of losing a Champions league place? If you’ll allow me to, this link to a post I wrote explains how:

    http://www.just-football.com/2009/04/udinese-vs-werder-bremen-uefa-cup.html

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  • Nnahoj |  April 17th, 2009 at 7:33 am

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    Yawn, Jonathan!

    Firstly, “However, as the coefficient is evaluated over five years, from next season 2004/2005 will no longer count.”…don’t you mean 2003/04 will no longer count? I mean I was never great at Math, but five seasons up to last season (the current coefficient) would be 03/04, 04/05, 05/06, 06/07 and 07/08. When we include 08/09 and drop one season, the season to be drop would be 03/04. Even with results from this season, Germany should still be behind Italy in the coefficient “race”.

    And again, way too much is being made out of this season. In the UCL, Italy’s participants gave just as well as they got, if not better, and were largely unlucky. Results in the knockouts of the UEFA Cup seem to suggest less. In the 01-02 season, a similar situation occurred in the UCL where no Serie A teams progressed to the last 8. The same rhetoric was being bandied about back then too. The following season there was an all-Italian final (with 3 being in the last 4). Since then Serie A has had two other final appearances, bringing one win and a loss.

    I remember a season where a similar situation had happened to the La Liga teams, yet no such alarms were raised over La Liga’s standing.

    I am not saying that Serie A does not have work to do. There needs to be new ideas and investment at all clubs, especially the big boys. But I am certain that they all know this – especially considering the numerous reminders by “doom and gloom” writers like Jonathan above me.

    Let’s wait until next season and see how right our various points of view are. If it happens again next season, then we can say that Serie A is truly a spent force. If, like I predict, Italian teams give credible performances with the results to match (progressing further in both the UCL and UEFA Cup) then we’ll see it was much ado about nothing. And given the performances of teams like Juve, Roma and Udinese in Europe this term, you certainly can’t help but be optimistic.

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  • Jonathan |  April 17th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

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    Nnahoj – Firstly you’re right, maths isn’t your strong point: next season’s coefficient will be judged on 05/06,06/07,07/08,08/09 and next season.

    Secondly – I wouldn’t say I am a ‘doom and gloom’ writer when it comes to Italian football! Merely pointing out the very real threat Serie A faces of losing a Champions League place should performances not improve in the next year or two. Whether you find Italian clubs’ performances this season to be ‘optimistic’ or not, do you not think there is at least some cause for concern that the Bundesliga is catching up so rapidly?

    Would you really put money on Italian teams going further than their German counterparts in Europe next season?

    Personally I still think Serie A is a very strong league. And I would just about expect them to outdo German teams in Europe next season…maybe. But certainly, the Bundesliga threat is there.

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  • Nnahoj |  April 17th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

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    So, the coefficients are judged up to the season that is in progress? That seems pretty retarded, but it’s UEFA so whatever. I stand corrected then.

    I am not concerned about Die Bundesliga catching up, or La Liga and the EPL pulling away, because football moves in cycles. That is just how it is. Right now its the English leagues time to dominate. Soon it will be the Italians time again. And then the Spanish etc. That’s just how it is. The quicker we accept it, the easier everything will be.

    We can get back to the top soon though. And I expect next season to be better. If the top Italian clubs do what they should, then we could see a repeat of the 02-03 season in the near future.

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  • giampiero |  April 17th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

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    no Nnajoj is right this seasons coefficients are 03/04, 04/05, 05/06, 06/07 and 07/08

    next season’s are 04/05, 05/06, 06/07 and 07/08 + 08/09

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  • LorenzoRosanero |  April 18th, 2009 at 12:41 am

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    Furthermore, I think Serie A is back on the rise again. Let’s face it, Calciopoli had a significant effect on the league. However, I truly believe that we are seeing a rejuvenation again that will show that there really is no need to claim the sky is falling.

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  • Italiano |  April 18th, 2009 at 6:01 am

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    i want to see Giovinco, De Cigle, Aquafresca, Motta, Marchiosi, Santon, Santacroce, etc… play in Spanish and Enlish clubs. They are far better of to improve rather than staying at the bench with Italian clubs. The need is for young players now a days not old farts. The need is for talent players that can give football its excitement. Italy needs change …

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  • Alex |  April 18th, 2009 at 9:29 am

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    ^Funny that of all the players you mention, only Giovinco and De Ceglie aren’t getting significant minutes… and De Ceglie is injured. Spanish clubs are just as bad, if not worse, as Italian clubs in integrating domestic talent.

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  • A |  April 20th, 2009 at 9:56 am

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    Forget about Reserves’ Leagues, the reason why Macheda is playing for Man Utd and not Lazio is because the EPL club was able to offer him a contract when the Italian one could not.

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