Comments on: Gila’s version of the Hand of God: Did He Cheat? http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html News from the Italian Serie A Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:30:56 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: mele419 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45568 mele419 Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:32:12 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45568 definitely was a handball, otherwise would have been a penalty. definitely was a handball, otherwise would have been a penalty.

]]> By: ursus arctos http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45564 ursus arctos Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:22:47 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45564 This was of course an instance in which the review occurred after the match, so there is no question of disrupting the flow of the game. That said, as one who has become convinced that we need a serious trial of video replays during matches with respect to goal/no goal decisions (and perhaps penalties), it's worth pointing out that other "flowing" sports like rugby and ice hockey have instituted similar systems without "killing the fun". This was of course an instance in which the review occurred after the match, so there is no question of disrupting the flow of the game.

That said, as one who has become convinced that we need a serious trial of video replays during matches with respect to goal/no goal decisions (and perhaps penalties), it’s worth pointing out that other “flowing” sports like rugby and ice hockey have instituted similar systems without “killing the fun”.

]]> By: Steven http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45563 Steven Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:52:19 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45563 The difference being that American Football is a game where stops are normal. Using the same things in regular footie would kill the fun. The difference being that American Football is a game where stops are normal. Using the same things in regular footie would kill the fun.

]]> By: LorenzoRosanero http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45562 LorenzoRosanero Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:12:29 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45562 soccerfreak - yes, the NFL uses video replay DURING games, but your point is also validated by the fact that players can be fined by the NFL for illegal hits they made during a game after an official review from the league. soccerfreak – yes, the NFL uses video replay DURING games, but your point is also validated by the fact that players can be fined by the NFL for illegal hits they made during a game after an official review from the league.

]]> By: soccerfreak13 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45561 soccerfreak13 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:47:05 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45561 I partially agree with you ursus, steven, and lorenzo. This is, in my opinion, obviously intentional because of the follow through with his entire arm. Not only that, but also his celebration makes it appear that he didn't score with his hand. I disagree as well with you, shield, that the whole idea of video-evidence for disciplining is controversial. Not really, think about American football, it uses instant replay for nearly the same reasons. I partially agree with you ursus, steven, and lorenzo. This is, in my opinion, obviously intentional because of the follow through with his entire arm. Not only that, but also his celebration makes it appear that he didn’t score with his hand. I disagree as well with you, shield, that the whole idea of video-evidence for disciplining is controversial. Not really, think about American football, it uses instant replay for nearly the same reasons.

]]> By: ursus arctos http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45560 ursus arctos Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:55:02 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45560 And because annulling the goal wouldn't have changed the result. As I've said before, I don't interpret the suspension as being for the handball per se. Rather it was for the entire process of handball and goal celebration that the commission interpreted to be an intentional attempt to mislead the officials as to what had actually happened. If one takes that view, it isn't really significantly different from other incidents in which video evidence has been used. And because annulling the goal wouldn’t have changed the result.

As I’ve said before, I don’t interpret the suspension as being for the handball per se. Rather it was for the entire process of handball and goal celebration that the commission interpreted to be an intentional attempt to mislead the officials as to what had actually happened.

If one takes that view, it isn’t really significantly different from other incidents in which video evidence has been used.

]]> By: Steven http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45559 Steven Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:42:39 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45559 Maybe because it's a lot easier to suspend a player for his action than to let both teams replay their game. Maybe because it’s a lot easier to suspend a player for his action than to let both teams replay their game.

]]> By: RomaShield27 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45558 RomaShield27 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:40:10 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45558 Sorry, when I said its the first of its kind in the Italian game I did mean a player being suspended for scoring with his arm. I know post-game video evidence in disciplinary cases has been used before but its usually for an off-the-ball incident or a gesture toward the crowd or something like that, but not for something like this. Giving a player a two-game suspension for using his arm to score is very harsh, especially in a case like this where its extremely debatable if it were intentional or not, and the added possibility that the player in question was being fouled at the time. Its because the referee did not see the incident clearly and so it was not noted that the disciplinary commission felt they had to intervene, bit where were the referee's assistant? Could they have not consulted the ref and made a decision then? If not, the ref's decision to allow the goal should of been final, and using video evidence afterward is taking it too far. Its too harsh the player himself, especially when you consider that if the ref or one of his linemen did see it and believe it to be an intentional handball then what would of happened? Gila would of gotten a yellow-card. But now he has a two-game suspension. And taking the larger picture into account, the disciplinary commission are happy to use video evidence to ban Gila for his part in the goal but do or say nothing about the goal itself, which in their eyes was an illegal goal, but yet it still stands...? Like I said, where do you draw the line? Sorry, when I said its the first of its kind in the Italian game I did mean a player being suspended for scoring with his arm. I know post-game video evidence in disciplinary cases has been used before but its usually for an off-the-ball incident or a gesture toward the crowd or something like that, but not for something like this. Giving a player a two-game suspension for using his arm to score is very harsh, especially in a case like this where its extremely debatable if it were intentional or not, and the added possibility that the player in question was being fouled at the time. Its because the referee did not see the incident clearly and so it was not noted that the disciplinary commission felt they had to intervene, bit where were the referee’s assistant? Could they have not consulted the ref and made a decision then? If not, the ref’s decision to allow the goal should of been final, and using video evidence afterward is taking it too far. Its too harsh the player himself, especially when you consider that if the ref or one of his linemen did see it and believe it to be an intentional handball then what would of happened? Gila would of gotten a yellow-card. But now he has a two-game suspension.

And taking the larger picture into account, the disciplinary commission are happy to use video evidence to ban Gila for his part in the goal but do or say nothing about the goal itself, which in their eyes was an illegal goal, but yet it still stands…? Like I said, where do you draw the line?

]]> By: LorenzoRosanero http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45557 LorenzoRosanero Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:03:27 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45557 Agreed ursus. RomaShield - it's been used within reason for the past couple of seasons to review such things. You're making it sound like they'd sit there and look over every minute of every game played that weekend and make rulings based on missed decisions (such as a ball going over the touchline that wasn't properly called). Obviously what happened in the Palermo - Fiore game was a big thing to take note of. I think they should both (ref & gila) be penalized for their respective errors. Agreed ursus.

RomaShield – it’s been used within reason for the past couple of seasons to review such things. You’re making it sound like they’d sit there and look over every minute of every game played that weekend and make rulings based on missed decisions (such as a ball going over the touchline that wasn’t properly called). Obviously what happened in the Palermo – Fiore game was a big thing to take note of. I think they should both (ref & gila) be penalized for their respective errors.

]]> By: ursus arctos http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45555 ursus arctos Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:24:53 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/gilas-version-of-the-hand-of-god-did-he-cheat.html#comment-45555 Shield, it isn't the first time the commission has used video evidence in disciplinary cases. They've been doing it for at least the last two seasons. Shield, it isn’t the first time the commission has used video evidence in disciplinary cases. They’ve been doing it for at least the last two seasons.

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