Comments on: Racism in the Italian Game http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html News from the Italian Serie A Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:14:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jon http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-34923 Jon Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:09:51 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-34923 i do think the issue of racism in italian football tends to get overlooked quite a lot. but it is going to take serious sanctions from the italian fa against offenders for the problem to be properly addressed. there are numerous high profile black players in italy now and the issue should not be as prominent as it currently is. i do think the issue of racism in italian football tends to get overlooked quite a lot. but it is going to take serious sanctions from the italian fa against offenders for the problem to be properly addressed. there are numerous high profile black players in italy now and the issue should not be as prominent as it currently is.

]]> By: ursus arctos http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-34020 ursus arctos Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:05:19 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-34020 Not a problem, Dave; I did it at the derby. And as a long-time Viola supporter, I have no problem admitting that Fiorentina-Juve is a bit of a special situation. Not a problem, Dave; I did it at the derby.

And as a long-time Viola supporter, I have no problem admitting that Fiorentina-Juve is a bit of a special situation.

]]> By: Dave http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-34017 Dave Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:41:29 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-34017 Ursus- I'd be happy to take you up on that offer, so long as you don't mind sitting next to someone in red and black. My comments were based on my experiences while studying in Florence, where I saw Juve play Fiorentina in 1997. Between the flares, tear gas, helicopters, riot police, dogs, etc., I had never realized how serious the problems were. Maybe opposing fans should be made to shake hands before a game- take a lesson in sportsmanship from the players. Ursus- I’d be happy to take you up on that offer, so long as you don’t mind sitting next to someone in red and black. My comments were based on my experiences while studying in Florence, where I saw Juve play Fiorentina in 1997. Between the flares, tear gas, helicopters, riot police, dogs, etc., I had never realized how serious the problems were. Maybe opposing fans should be made to shake hands before a game- take a lesson in sportsmanship from the players.

]]> By: mctalian http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33958 mctalian Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:24:41 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33958 Let me make it simple: Don't be a bunch of fucking assholes, hellas. Let me make it simple: Don’t be a bunch of fucking assholes, hellas.

]]> By: TAViX http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33949 TAViX Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:55:03 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33949 First of all I want to say that I'm romanian and NOT A fkin' GIPSY. It's a big difference between a gipsy and a romanian. The gypsies came from India, Pakistan or wherever, a long time ago and settled on Romanian ground, and because we are a very frendly nation we accept then without asking questions. We are a LATHIN NATION, our language is closest to Italian, but we can also understand French, Spanish... To call, for example Adrian Mutu a gipsy, is pure stupidity, that's why it can't even be considered an act of racism or nationalist. LOL, stupid racist people, read some history, go to school, learn about romanians and you will notice that Romania is a multinational country. We live in harmony on Romanian solil with hungarians, germans, mongols, rusians, chinese people, japanese, etc, and gipsyes beeing only a small fraction (also the worst). So please don't juge our contry because of those parasites who have a romanian passport. That doesn't make them romanians but gipsies nevertheless. STOP THE RACISM, STOP THE STUPIDITY! First of all I want to say that I’m romanian and NOT A fkin’ GIPSY. It’s a big difference between a gipsy and a romanian. The gypsies came from India, Pakistan or wherever, a long time ago and settled on Romanian ground, and because we are a very frendly nation we accept then without asking questions. We are a LATHIN NATION, our language is closest to Italian, but we can also understand French, Spanish… To call, for example Adrian Mutu a gipsy, is pure stupidity, that’s why it can’t even be considered an act of racism or nationalist. LOL, stupid racist people, read some history, go to school, learn about romanians and you will notice that Romania is a multinational country. We live in harmony on Romanian solil with hungarians, germans, mongols, rusians, chinese people, japanese, etc, and gipsyes beeing only a small fraction (also the worst). So please don’t juge our contry because of those parasites who have a romanian passport. That doesn’t make them romanians but gipsies nevertheless.
STOP THE RACISM, STOP THE STUPIDITY!

]]> By: ursus arctos http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33933 ursus arctos Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:57:10 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33933 What Martha said. The "zingaro" thing also has to be viewed in the context of the current campaign blaming Rom (and Romanian) immigrants for a host of social ills; that match was in the immediate aftermath of the murder in Rome and the emergency expulsions. It is a much more politically charged chant than "figlio de puttana" and just isn't the same. *as an aside, read Roswitha's blog on the current controversy in cricket as to whether "bastard" or "monkey" is more offensive, and whether it matters whether one is Indian or Australian.* One also can't tar all "ultras" with the same brush; if the Sandri tragedy has taught us anything it is that (and that was something that those of us that go to matches every week didn't need to learn). And Dave, if you ever make it to Milan, let my 9 year old and I take you to an Inter match (we have season tickets). You will see that there is virtually always at least a couple of opposition supporters sitting in our section, and that they are treated with the respect they merit. Even at the Derby, the ten or so Milanisti who decided to occupy "our" aisle (the view being much better than the seats for which they had tickets) were only asked to pipe down when they started taunting everyone else after the first goal. And when they did, no one had a problem when they stayed there (though they got a taste of their own medicine when the next two went in). What Martha said. The “zingaro” thing also has to be viewed in the context of the current campaign blaming Rom (and Romanian) immigrants for a host of social ills; that match was in the immediate aftermath of the murder in Rome and the emergency expulsions. It is a much more politically charged chant than “figlio de puttana” and just isn’t the same.

*as an aside, read Roswitha’s blog on the current controversy in cricket as to whether “bastard” or “monkey” is more offensive, and whether it matters whether one is Indian or Australian.*

One also can’t tar all “ultras” with the same brush; if the Sandri tragedy has taught us anything it is that (and that was something that those of us that go to matches every week didn’t need to learn). And Dave, if you ever make it to Milan, let my 9 year old and I take you to an Inter match (we have season tickets). You will see that there is virtually always at least a couple of opposition supporters sitting in our section, and that they are treated with the respect they merit. Even at the Derby, the ten or so Milanisti who decided to occupy “our” aisle (the view being much better than the seats for which they had tickets) were only asked to pipe down when they started taunting everyone else after the first goal. And when they did, no one had a problem when they stayed there (though they got a taste of their own medicine when the next two went in).

]]> By: Mike http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33932 Mike Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:49:40 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33932 ok, so i guess i'm part of the problem :) it probably doesn't help that i spend all day watching videos like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub9R60YyeyI&feature=related ok, so i guess i’m part of the problem :) it probably doesn’t help that i spend all day watching videos like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub9R60YyeyI&feature=related

]]> By: Martha http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33930 Martha Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:34:37 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33930 Well, except one has racial and ethnic connotations, while the other one doesn't. If the people who are singing these things consider them the same, it strikes me as another sign of the problem: Racism (for which the club was fined, if I recall correctly) is seen as just a throwaway insult. Well, except one has racial and ethnic connotations, while the other one doesn’t. If the people who are singing these things consider them the same, it strikes me as another sign of the problem: Racism (for which the club was fined, if I recall correctly) is seen as just a throwaway insult.

]]> By: Mike http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33927 Mike Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:00:10 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33927 I know how these chants can be seen as repellent and mindless to most people, and maybe I'm just not normal (but not racist, at least in my eyes), but to me chants of "Ibra the Gypsey" and "Materazzi's mom is a whore" are both of the same offensive level. Oh, and here's some love for you Materazzi haters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jdg-XJv2iI I know how these chants can be seen as repellent and mindless to most people, and maybe I’m just not normal (but not racist, at least in my eyes), but to me chants of “Ibra the Gypsey” and “Materazzi’s mom is a whore” are both of the same offensive level.

Oh, and here’s some love for you Materazzi haters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jdg-XJv2iI

]]> By: Martha http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33923 Martha Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:06:25 +0000 http://italy.theoffside.com/serie-a/racism-in-the-italian-game.html#comment-33923 Mike, while I believe what you're saying, I don't think that any of this stems from passionate support in any way excuses it. In some ways, being willing to shout the same slurs at an opposing player that other supporters shout at your team makes it more repellent, because it's so mindless. (And I agree with you, Dave, though the "just a game" stance seems terribly unpopular these days -- if you think that, you're not a true fan, etc.) Mike, while I believe what you’re saying, I don’t think that any of this stems from passionate support in any way excuses it. In some ways, being willing to shout the same slurs at an opposing player that other supporters shout at your team makes it more repellent, because it’s so mindless.

(And I agree with you, Dave, though the “just a game” stance seems terribly unpopular these days — if you think that, you’re not a true fan, etc.)

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